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  1. Timothy Holmes

    as Dan has previously said, those empowered with this process will take it as a patriotic endeavor and likely make the right moves. As our founding fathers did.


  2. Victor asked me to add that Congress only gets to choose the time and place, they won’t get to vote on it. That is discretion. A Clerk (TBD) in Congress will make the tally official once the rules are set. The members of congress won’t examine them and choose to call a convention. It is peremptory, they only need an official number that is 34 states or higher

    They won’t throw any of those state applications out. Since this request is now in the record, I am not afraid of it vanishing in a black hole anymore. They will count if they must be shamed into it, eventually they will count.

    It’s OK, panic a little, it is healthy. Then roll up your sleeves because the convention is coming, make sure you don’t miss it.

    • Frank Roszell

      Dan have you read two documents by Thomas H Neale Specialist
      in American National Government dealing with article V dates July 9,2012 and October 22,2012?

      I read the letter from legal council Kirk Boyle to you. He is in direct conflict with Mr. Neale. Note page 26 of Neale’s July 9,2012 documents dealing with States applications for a Convention. Neale states application,receipt and processing in Congress are the responsibility of Secretary of Senate and the Clerk of the House of Representatives.

      I sent Mr. Neale an email to ask him to explain his conclusions and resources. That information ,if he responses, could be of value in disputing Mr. Boyle’s conclusions.

      If you will send me your direct email address i will forward you what information I have or will have.


      • I did read that and I called him about it in August of 2012. After talking with me and receiving more information from Bill Walker of FOAVC by email, Mr. Neale wrote the supplemental report.

        It was my discussion with Mr. Neale that provoked the idea to call the Clerk’s office directly. When he pointed out that Congress failed to pass legislation 22 times in the 1970s to assign the duty to tabulate the applications, I knew there was an opening to explore there.

        Mr. Boyle and Mr. Neale have discussed this matter directly too. It is unbelievably easy to reach the right federal bureaucrat sometimes. There is little to no coverage of any of this. I really appreciate the attention form the Amendment Gazette.

        The Clerk of House, Karen Haas sent the request to the Speaker of the House, John Boehner’s office. On October 24th, 2013, the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, presented it to the Judiciary Committee for review. The action was entered in the Congressional Record:

        PETITIONS, ETC.
        Under clause 3 of rule XII,
        55. The SPEAKER presented a petition of Dan Marks, Hilo, HI, relative to a letter regarding methods for proposing amendments; which was referred to the committee on the Judiciary.

        I sent a similar letter to Elizabeth MacDonough the Senate Parliamentarian in July of 2013. She entered the request in the Congressional Record on August 1st, 2013 and sent the request on to the Judiciary Committee where is it waiting to be scheduled on the calendar.
        That entry reads:

        [Page: S6204]
        POM-120. A communication from citizens of the State of Hawaii petitioning for verification and tabulation of State applications for an Article V Convention; to the Committee on the Judiciary.

        At this point we need to make sure the American people and State authorities are aware of this action. That awareness has the power to keep them honest and make sure this is dealt with transparency and in an appropriate manner.


  3. I hate to ask people to trust me so I would ask people to listen to the feedback of this delegate from the Irish Constitutional Convention going on this past summer.

    Published on Jul 21, 2013
    Maureen O’Sullivan TD spoke on experience of Constitutional Convention. That it was a good experience, with a lot of work being done & great contributions from Citizen members. Government response to Convention proposals was needed. Oireachtas members of the convention, when in attendance should respect others to speak & practice some listening. Great work by Chairperson Tom Arnold & all the staff.


  4. I hate to ask people to trust me so I would ask people to listen to the feedback of this delegate from the Irish Constitutional Convention going on this past summer.

    Published on Jul 21, 2013
    Maureen O’Sullivan TD spoke on experience of Constitutional Convention. That it was a good experience, with a lot of work being done & great contributions from Citizen members. Government response to Convention proposals was needed. Oireachtas members of the convention, when in attendance should respect others to speak & practice some listening. Great work by Chairperson Tom Arnold & all the staff.

  5. Victor Tiffany

    “We have often thought about what a constitutional convention – of the people – would look like in the United States. Going through the process designed by the Constitution would unfortunately result in a convention made up of the wealthy as they would be chosen through an electoral process that is dominated by money. Thus, the result would not be a constitution of the people, but another one created by the oligarchs.”

    http://www.alternet.org/activism/crowdsourcing-our-way-out-crisis-democracy?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

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